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The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABI am NOT A LAWYER and have no basis to give you legal advice from this website that you can deem safe to use in a court of law. The information and links that you find below are for you to choose whether you wish to acknowledge as correct or not. Quote: Originally Posted by papapaczki Ok, to get us going... we had some suggestions: 1. Limiting copy/paste within the site. There are pros and cons to that. Cons being that you have to type everything into the web site. This isn't a bad thing, but not always ideal. Some poems are very long, and too type them twice would be quite an under taking. Pros would be obviously they can't copy/paste another person's work. Maybe somewhere there is a balance to this. 2. If you see a poem that is plagirized, click on the Flag Poem link, and enter a short report. We'll get it, and take care of the situation. 3. Please remember never to take the law into your own hands. Always contact support (or myself directly) and we'll help you handle the process properly from an ethical and legal stand point. Ok, I saw a lot of emotion. Let's see some of it turned into ways to help protect everyone. -Papa Paczki COPYRIGHT SYMBOL INSTRUCTIONS Quote: Originally Posted by dahlusion For MAC users: hold down the "option" key then press "G": ? and there you have it! ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Quote: Originally Posted by Phoenix9 For all those who may be looking as to how to put a copy right symbol on there work I found a easy way to do it and the only legal form of the symbol that is recognized. all you have to do is hold down the ALT key and on the number pad on the right of your keyboard type in 0169 and the symbol will appear, this works for windows. ie; ? wow nifty, hope this helps some. Rick (PHOENIX) Quote: Originally Posted by lightcourier I really imagine that a "poet" could post a couple hundred poems from well known poets that were included in a published anthology and no one here would probably know the difference. It is possible to post several poems by william carlos williams, or Dylan Thomas, or Vachael lindsey or our own National poet laureate....who was that? or any of a few thousand lesser known minor poets and no one would know the difference. Poor Vachael wandered all over the country performing his poetry in the streets, trying to get a new poetry form going (think rap in the 19th century) but he never rally gained much for his efforts. Personally, I would hate for them to copy and plagarize my poems cause they would probably gain lots of fame and fortune, loud accolades and probably bucketloads of cash that they could wave around in my face and put me down making me feel oh so browbeaten! Money and fame that could havebeen mine! Dammit, i could have been a contender! I think it is safe to say that for the majority noone really wants to plagarize your poetry....and if they do, they probably won't get anything out of it....and if they do (which is highly unlikely) you could feel slightly uplifted that you were so honored. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I hope all of this helps and protects my fellow poetic citizens, I'll add to this as much as I can. John E WordSlinger P.S. Here is a thread of questions posted by Poets here on OP: http://www.originalpoetry.com/forum/view/topic/topic_id/1232 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Help Us Make Poetic History: Click On Time~ http://community.history.com/topic/363 Here is a Book To Purchase on Copyrights: http://www.nolo.com/products/the-copyright-handbook-COHA.html -=-=-=-=-=-= New additional links: Anti-Plagiarism Strategies for Research Papers http://virtualsalt.com/antiplag.htm http://myfreecopyright.com Here is a new toy for you to enjoy: http://copygator.com/ http://www.plagaware.de/ The Campus View: By Robin Bates. http://www.betterlivingthroughbeowulf.com/?p=5613 Last edited by WordSlinger 01-05-2011 at 06:14:49 PM |
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Re: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABThank you for your ongoing effort on this, WordSlinger. I've made this a sticky so its always at the top of this forum. |
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Re: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABThanks John for being so doggone helpful! Wow, this post answered so many of my copyright questions!*smile* You are like a big brother, always looking out for everybodies best interest!-and you are always right there to always help me, with anything I need done...sometimes even before I ask! LOL! You are a total asset to this online poetry community. All your contributions and innovative ideas, are one of the reasons why we are more then just another writing community, but a poetry family! I am so proud to have you in my life! Last edited by Madelynn 12-29-2009 at 01:29:04 AM |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABamen, sister Maddi! WS, this is fantastic ... great, classic info, presented so articulately ... i'm gonna use the "sap" method, i think, myself, lol ... and ty Papa for the re-vamped site and linking this thread to fb! holy cats, is the web thickening, or what? |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABThanks, WS for this great info and Papa for your vigilance. Perhaps a good definition of what plagiarism is could be posted here also. Some people seem to think it is okay to use another poet's poem as an outline, make it more wordy and call it their own. A poet who does such a thing should realize it is an insult to his own creativity; or admitting the lack thereof. |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABPac, here's an idea, A Poem Bank, a Poet can send to an account in email, showing a sent date to the account, like a deposit, and when they need to use it for proof, an OP clerk, can verify their poem, poems written before the Bank opening, and subject to the current laws... Last edited by WordSlinger 12-29-2009 at 06:28:48 PM |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABPoets here are using WordSlinger in their tags, is that PLAGIARISM?? |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABheavy ... |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABOk it's copyrighted here as a post, that I had the first idea of apoem bank. so I' am now head banker, lol, well lets do it, I just want to help the needy, homeless, the hungry, and feed my kids.yes together we can make a difference. |
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RE: RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABQuote: Originally Posted by "dancinghawk" heavy ... @aria ... i had no idea people might do that ... but i suppose it's absolutely ... well, possible ... and even ... unconscious, at least occasionally ... as i know we must be affected by each others' work ... but ... if you have experienced something so blatant as what you describe, i DO hope you've reported that incident to someone official! i suppose ... if you wanted to be "humorous" about it and engage a larger poet community ... you might post your poem (dated) side by side with the other (dated), and have a sort of contest for the poet who can identify the most similarities!! lol ... that might be fun ... and i hope, a clear message to whomever wrote the blatant copy ... or clear up a misunderstanding if it's different enough? i would participate if you decided to create such a post ... @WS, a Poem Bank! i love that idea for OP ... you know, if OP charged $1 to "register" the poem, they might have $87,000 to work with now, lol ... don't know why i keep trying to make OP make money, i must be a mercenary at heart ... i guess i just don't want to see it go away, and i can't imagine paying to be a member, but i CAN imagine paying for services ... like registering poems in a poem bank, or selling chapbooks, or linking to sales for other books, as is being done ... anyway ... i know at some point, services can't all be volunteer, holy cats ... but then, WS, maybe YOU could be the Poem Bank, and I could be the Chapbook Lady! lol ... we'll advertise ourselves on OP ... hi-larious ... ahhhhh, not enough work at work today ... my mind is monkeying around for sure ... ty for letting me share whatever off the top of my head in reaction to your thoughtful comments ... -dancinghawk- Yes, WS and Dancer, the bank is a great idea for this site and I, for one, would be happy to pay $1.00 for each poem deposited. I will be happy to post my poem that I feel has been plagiarized here on the forum if the person who used it is also willing to post. I only have the rough draft and not the finished poem which was posted here on OP. I was stupid and didn't have a copy saved when my computer crashed. Let that be a lesson to us all! I have asked the "powers who be" in charge of OP if they have it but so far have not had a response...of course, I understand with the new (and may I add very nice!) site, they obviously have more important things to do. |
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RE: RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABQuote: Originally Posted by "WordSlinger" Poets here are using WordSlinger in their tags, is that PLAGIARISM?? or is it like Lightcourier said makes them a contender?? lol WS Word, You are so popular that Wordslinger is in the choice of tags when a poem is submitted. LOL! Aria |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABThe Poem Bank, |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABAhhhh, one of the most important posts I have ever seen posted in the forum. Thank you for the information you have provided other poets on copyrights, ws. Nobody, wants to see their work taken from them. I'll admit when I first began copyrighting my work I found the government site very confusing, after a few times on it though, for any others who have had issues navigating it, it does become easier with each use. For me, personally, I always try to get the most bang for my buck. I agree with, ws, it is important to copyright prior to publishing on-line, although I'll admit there are a few times when I was anxious to get my writing read, that I did not do so, til after the fact. Anyways, what I appreciate, is that you can do numerous works at once, whether you submit 1 or 50, it's still the $35.00...so I often try and register as many as possible within the same setting, to get the most for my money. Thank you for putting the information in such a valuable spot, ws! |
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Attributing a Title of a Poem from a Poet/Fair UseAttributing a title of a Poem from a Poet/Fair Use |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LAB@ws ... i wouldn't say we need a power of atty with "all poets that post" ... but ... i like your thinking about "if i were suddenly gone, what would happen to my work here?" ... makes me think ... more along the lines of "insurance" ... e.g. mamasan has been AWOL since Dec 4, and i would love it if she'd had some "insurance" that would protect her work and still allow it to be accessed into the future ... |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABoh! and @charlie23! ty for sharing your copyrighting experience!! very useful ... |
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RE: RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABQuote: Originally Posted by "dancinghawk" @ws ... i wouldn't say we need a power of atty with "all poets that post" ... but ... i like your thinking about "if i were suddenly gone, what would happen to my work here?" ... makes me think ... more along the lines of "insurance" ... e.g. mamasan has been AWOL since Dec 4, and i would love it if she'd had some "insurance" that would protect her work and still allow it to be accessed into the future ... and more great info ... ty for continuing to post your research here!! very interesting and useful ... -dh DancingHawk, yes this a subject, that I'm working on for us, this will be something we all will face. As of now and always as like the word of mouth. It is up to us, to protect each other. That's why I came up with the Poem Bank, thank you for your reply. John E WordSlinger |
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RE: RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABQuote: Originally Posted by "Aria" Thanks, WS for this great info and Papa for your vigilance. Perhaps a good definition of what plagiarism is could be posted here also. Some people seem to think it is okay to use another poet's poem as an outline, make it more wordy and call it their own. A poet who does such a thing should realize it is an insult to his own creativity; or admitting the lack thereof. I think each poet has their own style about themselves, while I don't use other poets poems as an outline, I do often outline the topic or if from the bible, the chapters that I will be using in my poem prior to starting writing. I think when people come up with similer poems it is at times a coincidence, yes I'm sure at times there is plagiarism all the more reason to protect your work if your gonna put ol. Sometimes I think I'm doing something, oh so original, only to read others and see I'm not nearly as original as I once thought. |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABHere is a new toy for you to enjoy: |
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Fight For Yours Rights, By Learning the Types of PlagarismPlagiarism is derived from two Latin words; plagiarius which means an abductor, and plagiare which means to steal. According to Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, plagiarism is defined as "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work." It is also considered as violation of scholarly ethics and intellectual property by many academicians. |
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A Poets SirenI have noticed a lot of modern barbarism. Quote:
Ozzy says, it's ok to steal, just make sure- your work is better than the work you're stealing, lol Last edited by WordSlinger 05-31-2010 at 11:18:07 PM |
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RE: The Poets Briefcase/Poem Evidence LABI' am coining the term Mosquitoe Writers to Plagarisists. (Mosquitoes) Last edited by WordSlinger 05-31-2010 at 12:36:28 PM |
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Copy rightists Versus AbolitionistsThese are must reads and views. You be the judge of your future in poetry. 1.http://www.aboutfreelancewriting.com/2010/03/creative-commons-v-copyright/ 2.http://www.lizardkingdom.org/archives/2009/05/blogging-copyright.html 3.http://www.yougoggle.com/video/11075/Larry-Lessig-How-creativity-is-being-strangled-by-the-law 4. http://rconversation.blogs.com/rconversation/copyright/ 5. http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions 6. http://www.skelliewag.org/a-complete-guide-to-finding-and-using-incredible-flickr-images-162.htm |
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