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My Position; 'I Don't Know'

06-19-2010 at 04:00:43 AM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

oh, what a lovely tea!

it's rather late, but i couldn't resist your bright star ...
and Dr Seuss is telling me to tell you,
"You are the Youest You there is"
...
only You know Your sacred scripture ...
you know it when you read it,
and you know it when you write it.

namaste beautiful beings!

-dancinghawk-

06-19-2010 at 04:06:13 AM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

Spence, you prove they should consider legalizing..uh..more natural substances!

Look you human think tank of a steam roller- you!-
I find the fact that you got your hands dirty with the whole hypocrit thing, pretty viable. Yep- no way to step off the merry go round on the truth- that Dah has brought to the surface, quite a few times; Christians counterdict what they stand for- ALOT! It's crazy.. it's like good people, trying to do good- in a really F'd up way!!- that's the basterdizing corner. Mispreceptions through even the most harmless conversation- can lead to some of the most controversial situations that stand befor us ( I mean look at Three's Company, when will they figure out that Crissy is probably really some madame-x, CIA/secret service, informant, and just acts stupid) lol, Serious note; We are all a danger, when what we believe in..becomes more powerful, then who we are created to be.


Spence-pass those funyons m'man- or no more coffee for you!

-Maddi

06-19-2010 at 04:19:54 AM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

...and the door just open'd, and a breeze as sweet as the angel of lilacs herself- just blew into this smoke filled(thanx Spence!lol,) coffee cove O'mine!

Dh, yes- that is what I am trying to stand for on the issue, sister-doll, Only, I'm a Irish sort/ and just CANNOT say anything as beautifully simple, and sweet as you do...

We believe what we believe- that is the true answer, not because someone has 'told' us too- but because we are who we are!

I worship all in nature- yet, the church taught me, only to worship the Almight, and not what He created- but then also taught me- God is in everything that lives...hmmm- so, I searched just alil' the way Maddi likes to scope! Know what... i found solace, I found peace, and I found God- and my inner church...from a smile on the street, from a hand of a child, from the rainbow after a storm, sex with someone I love.. the trees, flowers, soil, air,the moon, and the sun- all.
This is what works for me, I have peace in this! I believe in this!
If you don't(readers)- then I hope you have peace where you are in your beliefs...thats it.

-Hey Dh, missed ya!

tj/Mkiss

06-19-2010 at 10:57:48 AM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

Pour me another cup of coffee, for it is the best in the land..........I'll
climb back aboard my ol' semi, and then like a flash I'll
be gone.....- Buck Owens -

“To be right with God has often meant to be in trouble with men.” - Tozer -

06-19-2010 at 07:08:32 PM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

So true . those quotes- George.
Often times, it feels like we are left having to make this a choice; when we are believers. 'Do we do 'what we want to do. or what we think/ know God wants us to do' Truth is... I think, man doesn't have a clue- not really. We know what feels good, so we head in that direction.

-Maddi

06-20-2010 at 03:05:51 AM

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[quote="Madelynn"]-Chiggar
love that penname btw!
'In the bible it states that Man is falable, and as we all know the bible was written by man from the word of God, but if we today would tell some one that God spoke to us and wanted us to add to the book we would find are selfs with a nice new white jacket with stripes. That being said we also need to look at the fact that King James changed the Bible to fit his religion, more to his liking what has been lost over all time and my question to you is how do we know that whats in todays modern day bible is what was written so long ago. Jesus was a Great man and im happy he laid down his life for mankind but also makes you wonder why would we make a mockery of a man that was the right hand of God out of complete and utter disrespt. Let me bring it to light for those that are have trouble following. Churches are 3 or more people in a home reading the book, big fany looking things for masses not needed sorry drives me nuts.'
I'm gonna start here on this one!- I agree/ this is fact! Not only is the King James version revised- they are ALL revised, and their are scriptures written- that 'we' are not allowed to veiw, kept in the vatican! Pretty crappy, huh? I think this is where spirituality has to be strong( when we are believers in God, and the examples Jesus Christ has lead!) This where, quieting ourselves, to hear the truth- is most needed. The Bible, is a foundation- but the lessons have to be utilized through our own personal perception. Yes, I too believe 'church' dwells within, and worship needs not be in a large group/or any certain designated structure!
Your opinions, I think are pretty insightful!!!grin[/quote]

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"Yes, I too believe 'church' dwells within, and worship needs not be in a large group/or any certain designated structure!"

Maddi,

I agree, I also practise this. Private meditation means more to me,and to more people than what actually attend church;

However, as a Roman Catholic, I support my church for the following reasons. primarily:

We must not overlook that we are social and gregarious beings. We need one another. It is necessary to share experience and sympathies with as many people as possible, not for self aggrandisement, but for the need and values of sharing. .. The church as a communal entity, serves this purpose. fo many people.We cannot overlook the importance of the church as a storehouse and dispenser of religious culture,,
We cannot discount the role of the church as a preserver of traditions.
an initiator of education, an arbiter and founder of communities, a great therapeutic agency for better or worse, for many, for a whole nation.
The value of the church ,if we are broad-minded .enough to overlook past church atrocities, and present-day despotic tendencies and present-day church deviations, is immeasurable. We cannot discount the value of the church in society. As I mentioned before, I too find more spiritual satisfaction in private meditation,
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06-20-2010 at 03:17:33 AM

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gogant

I think we all, or at least some of us, have gotten too deep into politics and
religion. Maybe we should get back to the main reason most, or at least
some, of us came here for........I think it was to read poems, leave comments,
and post our poems, for others to read...........

There is still hope for us....I think.................................wink


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WISDOM. My Brother. What you say here is WISDOM for all ages
Micah6:9)

06-20-2010 at 03:17:33 AM

RE: RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

Quote:
Originally Posted by gogant

I think we all, or at least some of us, have gotten too deep into politics and
religion. Maybe we should get back to the main reason most, or at least
some, of us came here for........I think it was to read poems, leave comments,
and post our poems, for others to read...........

There is still hope for us....I think.................................wink


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WISDOM. My Brother. What you say here is WISDOM for all ages
Micah6:9)

06-21-2010 at 01:52:37 PM

Celebrities and Poverty, What do you know?



Brad Pitt's (Loved Ya In The Assignation of Jesse James, lol)
asking price for making a film is 20 million dollars, and he's telling us to do something? I can't even afford school! He could probably buy a whole school. I think we need to hear from the people that are actually being affected, not Brad Pitt and his A- list actors.

I honestly do not understand the world
1) cancel the debt
2) give countries fair chances to get stabilized
3) for goodness sake give them the medicine they need most of which is thrown away in this country because it goes out of date
we are so selfish why do we make this so hard?

Seriously the imbalance of the world is a complete embarrassment its a disaster.

It's not our world..
It's us...
We are the problem..
Until one day we can realize..
It's this society..
It's Civilization..
As much as every single person who wishes not to hear this.
We are all part of the problem, It can be a small portion or big.
In the end of the day each individual person is supporting this world.
The only people we have to blame is the Human Race.

No charity will solve the problem of poverty.
The middle class is struggling as is, its not our job to help.
The answer resides in the vast quantities of wealth reserved by the rich.
Don’t let them fool you with commercials, they’er not on our side.
Not while you’re making 20 million a year.
They're not willing to REALLY solve the problem.

Are Poets Capable with Local Reps?

06-22-2010 at 04:32:01 PM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

God is a concept by which we measure our pain: I don’t believe in Jesus, I don’t believe in Bible…I just believe in me, and that’s reality—John Lennon, 1970

Amen!

06-22-2010 at 05:23:05 PM
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RE: RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

Quote:
Originally Posted by dahlusion

God is a concept by which we measure our pain: I don’t believe in Jesus, I don’t believe in Bible…I just believe in me, and that’s reality—John Lennon, 1970

Amen!


Amen, I hear ya, now doesn't that feel good to let everyone know
where you stand, Now the next step is to leave everyone else alone in their faith.
The place where they feel good, words to the wise.
Yes, maybe we can live our life in Peace in Light, thank God

CS

06-23-2010 at 02:41:00 AM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'

"He who believes in Me does not believe in Me, but in Him who sent Me. And he who beholds Me beholds the One who sent Me. I have come as light into the world, that everyone who believes in Me may not remain in darkness.
- Jesus Christ

Amen!

-love John Lennon, his veiws on peace and love, were purest of poetry; but his ideals became so 'idealistic' about himself- that even The Beetles couldn't handle his self-proclamation, and self-absorbant truths.
Paul Mccartney once said- In his search to find himself(John Lennon)- he lost himself, and we-lost him.

I love John Lennon, and find so much peace through his music, so much truth within his lyrics- but, I do not agree with the anti- Jesus stand he took publically, or of his proclamations that, he himself, was Jesus Christ.
-If you do, that's fine with me. Like my favorite Beetle song says- 'Let it Be'

tongue winkMaddi

06-23-2010 at 07:09:39 PM

RE: My Position; 'I Don't Know'


John Lennon was the Beatles, and Yoko Ono was there beside him...

Everybody's an artist. Everybody's God. It's just that they're inhibited.
- Yoko Ono -

06-25-2010 at 03:33:48 AM

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Ok- George, I am completely in love with the way John loved Yoko, and Yoko loved John. So natural, and uninhibited- I just want to watch them love each other!-lol

That said, I can say with complete honesty, that I don't get Yoko. I don't understand her, or her stand on issues. The peace toward mankind thing- yes. -but the plea for humanity.. while she walks in her upper west side white seal fur, not so much. Now, I think, honestly, the chicky is/was wierd, and had absolutely no buisness recording an album of her own.- but then, I'm pretty weird too, and I'm sure lotsa people have tried to figure me out from time to time!
-The quote she piped, that you left, really has a Lennon vibe to it- but why wouldn't it, I mean she was his muse.

-thanks for the comment! smilez., Maddigrin

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09-16-2010 at 05:54:43 PM

RE: Chief Seattle

Quote:
Originally Posted by WordSlinger

CHIEF SEATTLE'S LETTER

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.

Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.

When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers and sisters after all."


B

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09-16-2010 at 05:54:43 PM

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09-16-2010 at 06:02:12 PM

RE: Chief Seattle

Quote:
Originally Posted by WordSlinger

CHIEF SEATTLE'S LETTER

"The President in Washington sends word that he wishes to buy our land. But how can you buy or sell the sky? the land? The idea is strange to us. If we do not own the freshness of the air and the sparkle of the water, how can you buy them?

Every part of the earth is sacred to my people. Every shining pine needle, every sandy shore, every mist in the dark woods, every meadow, every humming insect. All are holy in the memory and experience of my people.

We know the sap which courses through the trees as we know the blood that courses through our veins. We are part of the earth and it is part of us. The perfumed flowers are our sisters. The bear, the deer, the great eagle, these are our brothers. The rocky crests, the dew in the meadow, the body heat of the pony, and man all belong to the same family.

The shining water that moves in the streams and rivers is not just water, but the blood of our ancestors. If we sell you our land, you must remember that it is sacred. Each glossy reflection in the clear waters of the lakes tells of events and memories in the life of my people. The water's murmur is the voice of my father's father.

The rivers are our brothers. They quench our thirst. They carry our canoes and feed our children. So you must give the rivers the kindness that you would give any brother.

If we sell you our land, remember that the air is precious to us, that the air shares its spirit with all the life that it supports. The wind that gave our grandfather his first breath also received his last sigh. The wind also gives our children the spirit of life. So if we sell our land, you must keep it apart and sacred, as a place where man can go to taste the wind that is sweetened by the meadow flowers.

Will you teach your children what we have taught our children? That the earth is our mother? What befalls the earth befalls all the sons of the earth.

This we know: the earth does not belong to man, man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites us all. Man did not weave the web of life, he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.

One thing we know: our God is also your God. The earth is precious to him and to harm the earth is to heap contempt on its creator.

Your destiny is a mystery to us. What will happen when the buffalo are all slaughtered? The wild horses tamed? What will happen when the secret corners of the forest are heavy with the scent of many men and the view of the ripe hills is blotted with talking wires? Where will the thicket be? Gone! Where will the eagle be? Gone! And what is to say goodbye to the swift pony and then hunt? The end of living and the beginning of survival.

When the last red man has vanished with this wilderness, and his memory is only the shadow of a cloud moving across the prairie, will these shores and forests still be here? Will there be any of the spirit of my people left?

We love this earth as a newborn loves its mother's heartbeat. So, if we sell you our land, love it as we have loved it. Care for it, as we have cared for it. Hold in your mind the memory of the land as it is when you receive it. Preserve the land for all children, and love it, as God loves us.

As we are part of the land, you too are part of the land. This earth is precious to us. It is also precious to you.

One thing we know - there is only one God. No man, be he Red man or White man, can be apart. We ARE all brothers and sisters after all."


Be Merry, Florish


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Mr . John Wordslinger where, did you find this stupendous speech? If it is not a fabrication, then it is animism, at its purest, strongest and best.

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09-16-2010 at 06:02:12 PM

RE: Chief Seattle

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09-16-2010 at 06:13:41 PM

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If I feel physically as if the top of my head were taken off, I know that is poetry.

Emily Dickinson (1830-1886) American poet.