RE: The History Of Original Poetry's First Two Years.

http://www.neatorama.com/2007/05/31/the-true-story-of-the-statue-of-liberty/

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Give us 10 Poets' names from this website that would love to read
in the magazine
A person to person interview with in a fresh, new smelling magazine,
And have a double sided poster of, and a recording of three poems on a cd.
???
Full color- Brillant sound!!

Give us ten names, and how much would you pay for a magazine that has
all of the goodies mentioned below in this post of mine, and the poets that you will name??

We are searching for content that you the readers demand.
((Don't worry about favoritism, and Click's this is to give us an idea of who you want...))

Well I have been a forum man since the days of the new.
I know somethings that have been erased, and a little bit
of who is behind the scenes, and with my scopostetic mind.
I have researched, and learned alot, but that I'll keep to my self.
As a team player, and very much appreciated of this site,
and the citizens, all I can ask is why ask who is behind the curtain.

PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN.

lol, just kidding.

All I know is that a woman loves poetry, and asked her husband to create
a website for poetry, and Bamm here we are.

The only question I have is I need a career,
Can I help run an OP monthly Magazine.
People can subscribe right from here our home OP.
Here is the source like createspace.
http://www.magcloud.com/
and
http://magazinepublisher.com/
So I ask the Parents of OP, and us
to consider it,

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My initial drive to study and design a magazine, and feature all arts was to
Start an awareness, and find missing children in 2004!!!!

OP Poetry Defining Poetry

Start SMALL-
Commit,
Stick To It,
Reward Yourself,
Build Slow,
And be happy with what ya have.

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The Contents of the OP Magazine

Departments:
1. Poetry from Poets on OP.
2. Interviews of Poets on OP with photos
3. The School of Poetry
Poetry lessons from the Teachers of OP.
4. How to copyright information, and more.
5. Poetry Challenges from OP Poets-Picture Poetry done by
6. Poetic Journalism
7. The Poets of Blood Section
8. Ads of Poetry Books that Poets from Op
have published.
9. The in and outs of OP. Tools of the site.
10. Short Story of the Month
11. Poets of yesteryear and poems.
12. Crossword Puzzles
13. Poets Columns
14. Poets Art & Photography
15. Cover Poet
16. Centerfold Poet-Double Sided Poster
17. A Poetry Cd with recordings of Poetry
18. PC tips
19. Classifieds
20. An Events Page
21. Missing Children Page




New since this thread was created"

22. Kids Corner- Teen Page, and Super Kid Poet
23. Poets in Uniform
24. Better Living Through Poetry(Poemeopathy)
24. Funny Page- Cartoons-Satire
25. Local Chapter Directory
27. Child Abuse Awareness page
http://www.childluresprevention.com and http://www.teenluresprevention.com

ADS/ENDORSMENTS-
sources of revenue`
Advertisements, Subscriptions, Mailing Lists, Print on Demand, and Grants.

(Funding)- Advertisements
Parenting, Education companies. products, books, videos, poetry cds, etc..

TOOLS WE NEED:
1. A cell phone plan,
2. Cameras.
3. Recording, and design software. (A Share software)

Things to Discuss:
What are costs associated with publishing?
vs
what are the total revenue’s earned?
1 Evalute this project
2 Analyze

Study audience and competitors. Listen to readers and advertisers.
Concentrate on markets(Our IDEAS), and stick to it.
Search Advertisers. Search Talent. Search Missing Kids.

SITE/ZINE plan
a size, page size, designs, formats, Site formats, Zine Stapled or Glued.
New Software and Learn it. Quark Express Acumen Flash etcs..
Count on Changes
Look for experienced staffing, freelancers, commissions, volunteers.
Sharing faculties.
Learn FTP process , and PDF to web.HTML
Direct to plate process.
Zine Printer pc formats
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Participate in National Libraries
Associate with sites, and orgs that help.

Major Responsibilities:

1. Fundraising .
2. Community Outreach
3. Author/Poet Relations
4. Board Relations
5. Education, always learn new things in this trade.
6. Specific Skills/Abilities recognize Poets/People with these…
7. Market Research
8. The Magazine is an Ongoing Project
9. Advertising Sales
10. Listen to your readers and advertisers
11. Be prepared for change.
12. Look for ancillary profit opportunities.

THE COMPANY TREE (Traditional Tree for a successful Magazine.)


CEO-FOUNDER-PUBLISHER-PRESIDENT~
I I I
EXCUTIVE VICE PRESIDENT CO PUBLISHER PLAN MANAGER
I I I

RESEARCH OFFICER
CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER
CHIEF WEBMASTER
CHIEF EDITOR
FAMILY MGR
I SERVER MASTER
ALLIANCE MGR
SALES MGR
TECHNICIAN INVESTIGATORS
INVESTOR RELATIONS
EXCHANGES MGR
TREASURER I EDITOR
PUBLIC RELATIONS
PROMOTIONS MGR
LIBRARIAN/ARCHIVES
LAW DIVISION
TALENT AGENT WRITER
ACCOUNTANT
STREET TEAM MGR VOLUNTEERS
EVENTS/TOUR MGR
COPY WRITER
CIRCULATION DIRECTOR
WAREHOUSE
ITERGATED SALES MGR
NEWSTAND MGR
CUSTOMER SERVICE

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Commonly Asked Questions
How do you reach subscribers?
How do you reach advertisers?
How do I reach my audience?
Is better to start small and grow than to start large?
Who will sell ads?

Give us 10 Poets' names from this website that would love to read a person to person interview with in a fresh, new smelling magazine,
And have a double sided poster of, and a recording of three poems on a cd.
???
Full color- Brillant sound!!

Give us ten names, and how much would you pay for a magazine that had
all of the above, and the poets that you will name??

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Wow... It sounds like you've been doing your homework John! Way to go. With that kind of dedication we might be able to pull it off....

Now let me do another post on how OP stacks up against the competition.

OP Magazine Talk by WordSlinger & Dano

I'm breaking off the Magazine talk from the history thread into this one. You can all discuss it here.

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awesome idea!!! You have my support 110%, anything I can do to help make it happen or help promote the idea let me know. I would forsure be one of the first to sign up! Angel- POB for life! aka A blind man walking...

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my voice is gonna be pret-ty expensive ... haha! ...

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Word slinger I'm behind you 100% with this idea. Please do not get discouraged and lose focus on it no matter what. There is much fresh innovations needed here just as you have proposed. As a writer you have to take your future in your own hands and do not depend on a sole individual or website to do that for you. Please keep in touch. My book on poetry will be published early next year.

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OK... If you go to magcloud and browse the site and follow the link for "literary and writing" magazines, top billing goes to Instigatorzine. However, they are only in their 5th copy, so who knows if they are profitable yet.

If I go to their website to order a copy, Wham! I get hit by a trojan virus and my antivirus throws up a warning window.

Their rating is too low to show up on Alexa, so I don't suppose they get many hits. (My personal website gets very little traffic, and even it is rated as the 4.9 millionith busiest site on the internet, which certainly beats poetrymagazine.com which is rated at the 15 millionth. Original Poetry, by the way is rated something like the 300,000 busiest site on the web - which is pretty darn good.

So my first question to Magcloud would be "What is your most successful literary magazine in terms of volume, and how many do they sell per month". that sort of sets a benchmark for us.

The next question would be how many of these do we need to sell every month? I'd expect to see a plan that says X hundred in the first month and ramping up by X percent per month to a projected circulation of X copies at the end of the first year.

Numbers like that can be balanced against the effort required to get this done, and the intangibles, like artistic exposure for the contributors etc. so we know whether we are being successful or not.

I think John's outline is a good starting place. I'd love to see this happen.

But what is the measure of our success?

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Add my name to the 10 required to move on with WordSlingers idea.

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I would love to see Teardrop, Dahlusion, and Madelynn's poetry in a magazine. I would pay $3 at the very least, and $5 at the most. Maybe $7 if the magazine was spectacularly awesome.

I'm not very good with stuff like advertisers, funding and finding or hiring staff. That part, I believe, should go to someone charismatic and persuasive. But being part of a virtual team is something I am familiar with and doing the actual grunt work is something I am often preoccupied with.

When your email said that you were interested in starting a magazine, I immediately started thinking of the following:

*Layout. (Which would have to be consistent in every issue.)

*Are you going in color or black-and-white or a mix of both?

*How often would you publish?

*How many pages per issue? (Usually you would aim for a consistent page goal and try to reach it every issue. If you couldn't -- though I doubt that you would have a dearth of material with the OP crowd -- you would try to fill space with ads, etc.)

*Even something like paper quality would be something to consider.

*Would your staff be exclusively virtual or would you actually have an office?

*What page size are you considering?

*What typeface?

*While the OP crowd could be potential subscribers, there's no guarantee that they'd actually subscribe. So would your target audience be the OP audience to actually try and attract specifically them to subscribe or would it be a wider more general public?

These are the kind of things that ran through my head when I saw the word "magazine." Other things, like dealing with the printer, a distributer or even a fulfillment center ... I haven't really an idea how to even start approaching them.

Anyways, I said more than I meant to. I just got a little excited by the prospect. Thanks for inviting me to this thread. good luck

Jammin

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This is such an exciting idea and I am thrilled to see it being thought out so well! This is a magazine I would look forward to receiving every month definitely. I know that at $20 for a year subscription it would be such a steal that I could encourage several friends to subscribe, but I personally would be willing to go even as high as $35 or 40, simply because I already know it will have excellent content. The cd idea was really exciting for me, too, but I wonder how cost-effective that would be? And who would do the readings? I know as an author I have heard others read my work and they usually have a different spin on it than I did in my head and end up accenting differently and such. Just a thought. I don't know if the poets will be able (logistically speaking) to each read their own, or if some might shy away because they don't like their voice, etc. That aspect seems tricky, but could potentially be quite an endorsement for the zine.
As for funding, there are some poetry magazines that run occasional contests (either unstructured, or with requirements such as length, subject, etc.) and many of those charge a small reading fee to enter. If you keep it low, like $3, many people would be encouraged to submit and it wouldn't do much to dent their wallets. Also, maybe members of OP could all do some kind of local fundraising if they're interested? I'm just typing as I think here, so stay with me a minute. But what if some people do like a bake sale, some sell quilts or jewelry, some do Partylite fundraisers, car washes, etc and send the proceeds to OP to help with startup costs? I don't pretend to know how likely or manageable that may be, but I'm just trying to think of anything that can help.
Also, I have a long history of customer service (14 years) and would be glad to volunteer my services once they're necessary. I am now disabled and unable to work a 'normal' job, so this would be just right for me, since I could do it from home. And I would be happy to do it as a purely free volunteer basis.
And I've really and truly tried to narrow down my choices of who I would like to list from this site, and it has been such a challenge!! I know you said you just needed a few, but I couldn't help myself. I would love to see features on helios, Marsink, ginga, Hiporlacking, Madelynn, Springsize, MindNumbing, SuSpence, kmooney, HarverTomsson, and cousinsoren. There are about two dozen more I could list easily.
One other thing you may want to include as a small feature is some kind of creative writing assignment. Maybe you could even print some of the best ones in the next month's edition. I don't know if that would be too similar to the poetry challenges, but for aspiring writers, sometimes those assignments open floodgates of inspiration and can be very exciting. Or maybe utilizing the Picture Poetry that same way- like presenting the picture and having the challenge/assignment be to write about it and then include some of the best ones next month. Just 'thinking out loud' again, lol!
It seems like you have your work cut out for you, but it also appears you are up to the task. I would love to help in any way possible and will absolutely be subscribing the moment it becomes available!!
~Simone

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I love your idea! I would definitely subscribe and would love to be a part of it in any capacity I can. I really don't know if any of these ideas for getting started would suit you at all, but I hope that you find a little something that might help....if not...just consider it me doing what I do best...ramble...lol

Have you considered (this might be taboo) starting a premium blog on a third party cell carrier platform to get an audience in place and established as subscribers; then maybe shifting as demand increases?

It would minimize initial overhead, get the word out about the project on an open platform, establish a stream of income, and give a strong indication of reception to the full scale magazine, as well as essentially be able to host most of the features you've listed, while minimizing production confusion and staff requirements at the onset.

This in turn would allow you to proceed with expansion in direct response to tracked outgrowth. In the mean time; since we're looking at a fairly wide ranged demographic, different Cd's and materials at different levels, brochures and what not could be created for specific target audiences, which would be enough to peak interest without the total magazine production cost. Say, create a different brochure for aspiring poets verses school age kids, establishing awareness, peaking interest, and sending them to the blog for more tidbits, but essentially, preparing the way to the magazine, like crumbs leading the way to the muffin

I think the print on demand would be a fantastic starting point at publication, too.

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John,

It would be cool to have a kids corner as well. A poem contributed by human beings 18 years old or younger....

We do have some of those on OP, you know. I'm sure others might send in their work to a magazine as well...

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I am thinking that you have put together all the necessary parameters.
Mrgee

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weel personally i love the idea of havig our own magz. I wouldnt really know how to order it, so maybe if we subscribed? all of that would depend on how often the mag is sent out. I vote for having at least one teen poet used in the magz, along with Teardrop and ManOnTheMoon. and me... :D i vote me lol. Go for it Wordslinger. whatever you come up with will be great.

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I think it is a great idea. At best, It could definitely sell for about 7 bucks (more or less depending on the state you live in and the local costs to the small businesses to procure it for the readers.)

You also might want to think of advertising. In creating that magazine, you'll also create revenue through allowing a lot of businesses to advertise in the magazine, which in turn can finance bigger ventures the executive group may want to take the magazine. If you can get the magazine to take off, consider getting investors to spread this magazine cross country and maybe world wide.

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Looks like the necessary interest is there, for sure I'm so happy to see the excitement building! Dano and I can definitely be added to the list of subscribers and volunteers. WS, you know that Dan and I are both down for whatever you need. He's a freakin' genius when it comes to layout and design work... has been doing that kind of thing on flyers and postcards for Abyss Records for years. And I'm pretty good at research and can be pretty persuasive when necessary. Let's do this!

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i think in all actually this is a big venture to try to pull off... i do believe that we can do it with proper organization and ambition which there seems to be no shortage of... we might look into hiring a publisist... someone who can network across the country and tie everything together for us to bring avertisers and a person who might already have ties to larger outlets for retail distribution through store such as barnes and noble... borders books ect... we all have inependent book retailers in our areas that are very approchable on a personal level that we can talk to and try to place product in thier store... however many small businesses in my experience like to sell things on consignment so that they are not put into a position of stocking prouct that dosent move and risk losing upfront money... we may approach this from the that level first... the independents... in order to attempt to build a foundation... start small and all you can do is get bigger... but if we start too big it we struggle to maintain that level... everything has a natural growth pattern... just look at op... we need to set goals for this project and allow natural progression to help guide the growth

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I think a Teen Corner is a great idea - there's alot of young, very talented writers on our site - Bring Me Bullets comes to mind, among many other - I can list 'em if you want!!

And maybe a Dark Poetry section, Love Poetry, Nature Poetry - you see where I'm going with this.

And the student writing from OP's school thread - there's some incredible (and inspiring) work there. Not to mention the fabulous lesson - oh yes, a Teacher's Corner.

kah

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weel personally i love the idea of havig our own magz. I wouldnt really know how to order it, so maybe if we subscribed? all of that would depend on how often the mag is sent out. I vote for having at least one teen poet used in the magz, along with Teardrop and ManOnTheMoon. and me... :D i vote me lol. Go for it Wordslinger. whatever you come up with will be great.

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The suggestions and proposals , all sound thinking , from folks who " klnow their onions" are feasible, but mind-boggling. The bottom line is to streamline the road to be taken ,and to start small and on a firm footing.

My impression is that within our O.P.family we have the expertise, and in addition, some of us in the journalistic and computer field, seem to know where to draw on additional professional resources. Let us do what groundwork is necessary to be done ( as long as Papa and the other Parents agree) to launch the magazine, very early in 2011.

Yeah, John , pave the road, go full ahead like a railroad train that knows all the stations , halts , grades and turns. Here is your chance to earn an income for OP , the stakeholders and most importantly yourself. Count me in as one of "The Ten" subscribers as a voluntary , free -lance writer and local researcher.. I have accepted your invitation ,after much deliberation. Let us pray continuously for all hurdles to be successfully scaled , and for the success of this venture.

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A two man team can travel to the Poets that get interviewed, photgraphed, and recorded in one visit; the session in the Poets domain, or a place he or she wants to do this. With a good digital camera, and laptop with recording tools, this can be done, and files can be sent to Head Quarters that day...
If the team loves the landscape they can drive, then a car is needed.
I'm sure the Poet will let them crash at their house, that's how up and coming bands did it, they stay at fans homes, lol, anyways, that would be fun for the selected team....

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I used to be a member of clan MacNeil. a Scottish clan and we went to the games in many different states every year......Our clan put out a monthly magazine that went to all members of the clan who had paid there dues......Our magazine was ranked #1 for many years and is still the number one clan magazine..(and that is #1 out of over 240 different Scottish clans represented at the highland games, which the largest one is help at Grandfather Mountain NC.)....it featured information about different members, posted highlights from each game help across the US with pictures and all.....plus kept up with current info on the president of the clan who lived in Scotland on the isle of bara.........the editor of the magazine was a middle school librarian...........I think a magazine would be great for op.......we could post highlight of poetry that is well liked and do a page for each contest winner.....upcoming events or whatever........I am sure we could knock some ideas around and come up with a good one.........love asha

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Well one idea i have for getting the interviews from the members you want for the magazine is to have whomever is going to do them, come to that states chapter meeting, that way you could catch all if not most of any one states members at one time and get interviews with them all.....it would save time and travel expense money trying to go to members homes.........the glitch would be making sure that each states chapter meeting were not held on the same weekend as other states meetings......A long term schedule could be worked out to prevent two or more chapters meeting at the same time............love asha

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You can count me in as one of the 10 OP members you need to read.......lol.....I was told the last time I read one of my poems to a crowd of people that I did very well, of couse if was at a funeral, but the compliment came from a retired school teacher.............lol..........loves ya asha

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we also need someone who can edit and submit the pictures for the magazine....that one I know I could do......the state chapter groups could send me the pictures from there meetings and I can edit them and have the magazine editors decide which pictures they want to use in the magazine........I used to take pictures for the Clan MacNeil magazine and send them to the magazine editor and many of my photos where featured in the issues............asha